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Created: January 11, 2006
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Index of Topics on Site Love 1A Learning Records, Fall 2005
Gutierrez, Olivia:

LEARNING RECORDS

Message 108 on Learning Records:

I hope you are feeling better, and I wish you a great holiday season. I'm just posting this message to let you know that I really enjoy your class and that I felt so helpful when I let others know of what was really going on. For example, the election day of Nov. 8, was a great victory.

Reply:

Olivia, that's one of the secrets to empowerment. We don't have to take on the whole world. Just one little step makes us realize that we can engage in real governance discourse (in which people listen to people and our governments act by and for people) happen again. I agree that it feels good. I feel good as each of you write in to tell me how good it felt.
jeanne
December 23, 2005

Message 8375:

Shirley,

You are right, the class of Love1A, is all about caring for others and informing them of what is really going on. If you let people know what's going on, and they respond in a positive way, when one gives them a card, it's great. For instance, I was really happy with the results from the past election of Nov. 8. the results spoke for themselves. I personally passed about 10 cards and some boxes to transmit information that some people are not able to get.
Olivia Gutierrez

Reply:

I'm glad you had this experience, Olivia. And equally glad that you shared it with Shirley.
jeanne
December 22, 2005

Message 8301:

Hi Kelly, I agree with you, today, many forms of discrimination still exist. As a matter of fact, in my sociology class (SOC-364) "corrections," we had some presentations that discuss the topic of racial discrimination regarding the death penalty.Some of them mentioned how unfair the system was when it related to minorities commiting crimes. However, in your case, I think that they should've put a more diverse jury, whereas [ . . .] the one that they had chosen. Like you said, prosecutors are still able to use their peremptory challenges.

Reply:

This was in response to Kelly Heckel in Message 8265. I'm delighted that you are all able to exchange information this way.
jeanne
December 22, 2005

Message 6785:

Based on Jeanne's lecture, I think that people [hard workers] in this country would not like to be subordinated by the top 3% of the rich folks. Especially if Bush is in control...

I can't imagine how our Governor just took back millions and millions of dollars that he had promised to our schools. What's going to happen with the children who are part of the minority group and that barely have books in their classrooms???? Where is that money going to? Iraq?

Also, if the President's Republican supporters want to use the money promised for Medicare and funds promised for highways for his fantasy development of New Orleans, when another natural disaster hits {hopefully not} is our country going to be financially stable of what? Or in bankruptcy ???

Reply:

Interesting proposition, Olivia. I don't know that there is any "bankruptcy" for nation-states. Just the International Monetary Fund, which is probably a little like having Bush for president. These are the kinds of questions we have to keep asking out loud, to each other, and to our communities. That's how governance discourse happens.
jeanne
December 20, 2005

Message 6056:

It is critical to see too much world violence... However, can abortion be the solution? *Religion, Political people, and the Law in general have different perspectives on abortion as well as the mothers-to-be of an unwanted child. But, who has the right to decide if a woman wants to have her child or not...I don't think that abortion is a good thing, but if a person has been raped, do you think she would like to have a child that would remind her of the abuser? definitely no... she wouldn't want to have that baby. To conclude, I think that we should respect any woman's decision on whether they are having an abortion because we are not the ones who are going to feed that child or help her raise the baby, right?

Reply:

Good point, Olivia. But careful with the arrogance of knowledge. Some women do choose to have the child, even after a rape. We are each unique. Sometimes it's very hard to recognize a different perspective. One of the stars on Special Victims Unit of Law and Order is a child of rape. That's probably a reasonable indication that the issue has come up often enough for people to have many different perspectives on it.
jeanne
December 20, 2005

Message 5804:

I think that the U.S. Government needs to learn more techniques in order to help people in any upcoming disaster...Hurricane Katrina is one of those examples,the people were out of control and the help arrived late. So hopefully in the future we won't see the lack of organization when helping our fellow friend and country...

Reply:

Olivia, I know Beau says I'm being tame just now, and I am trying to remember the sex drive and love in determining our orientation to our world, but I'm damned mad that our government "needs " to learn these things. Just how do you figure Cheney and Bush and Condoleeza Rice don't already know this stuff???? love and peace, jeanne
jeanne
September 7, 2005



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