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Created: February 20, 2006
Latest Update: February 20, 2006
Aaron posted in Message No. 10180:
I would like to start a new topic, if i may. We never discussed this in our class, its just something I'm really curious about. So here it goes. In one of my classes this semester, we were speaking of theft and white collar crime. They are definitely handled differently, and theft is really focused on more.
I heard a couple girls speaking in class . . . a side bar conversation if you would . . . about how "black people don't do embezzlement..that's why the police don't enforce it." I don't know about any of you, but i found that a little bit offensive. But i am ready to hear the side of everyone on this issue.
So my questions are, do you believe that this is so? And, for what reason(s) do you believe white collar crime goes seemingly less enforced?
Randy responded in Message No. 10219:
Re your post #10180,
What was offensive to you? Was it the statement that, ""black people don't do embezzlement" or "the police don't enforce it."
Below are some commentary re crime, class and race. I would love to hear your thoughts. In my opinion, the reason "white collar crime goes seemingly less enforced is because it serves class-based interests of our ruling class."
I believe that our manner of fighting crime contributes to the politics of divide and conquer.
From the blog:Still fighting the civil war---and the "divide and conquer" strategy of capitalism November 15, 2004.
We (Jessica Wilson and Benj Hellie) are U.S. expat assistant professors of philosophy at the University of Toronto, who are interested in and worried about global affairs (especially as influenced, as they so often are, by U.S.-based corporate capitalism, as implemented by Republican thugs). One goal of this blog is to keep a (partial) record of articles, opinions, sites and so on striking us as worthy of attention in the course of our news- and web-surfing; another is to periodically write longer posts focused on the historical, psychological, and/or ideological underpinnings of current events (see especially the 'Foundations' and 'Capitalism and Its Alternatives' categories in the Archives). Yet another goal is to call readers' attention to certain opportunities for activism. We hope readers will enjoy our explorations, and though, in the interest of getting tenure, we have regretfully not initiated comment threads, we welcome thoughtful reader suggestions, comments, corrections and questions, sent to jessica DOT m DOT wilson or benj DOT hellie AT utoronto DOT ca.
Aaron wrote in Message No. 10222
Randy responded in Message No. 10223
Kathleen also responded in Message No. 10245
I know you asked Greg but I felt the need to respond. I believe this country is rapidly rounding the corner to blatant Facism. Our armies are used to defend our Corporate interest in other countries. The Iraqi National Museum of Art and History was left unguarded (and thus plundered) while the National Oil Ministry building was surrounded and protected when Baghdad fell. Is it just a matter of coincidence that Mobile Oil and Arco Oil have red, white and blue colors for their logos? [jeanne added highlight] When the airlines took a dive, who bailed them out? Why bail them out? We have the largest percentage of Corporate Wellfare in the world. We borrow money from Communist China to fund our deficit on a daily basis. It's strange times we live in. Kathleen
Greg wrote in Message No.
Let me ask you this: when it comes to rebuilding a country that has been plundered by its previous rule (which Iraq had been), the most important thing to protect is not a museum, it is the way the country makes money. Because of Iraq's nearly one-string economy, the Oil Ministry is far more important. And, BTW, the museum was not plundered. A few pieces were taken. Most of the collection had already been moved to protect it.
Re: the logos, you are stupid.
I do feel that we should not have bailed out the airlines and I do not support corporate welfare (or welfare of any kind), though we do not have the largest percentage of corporate welfare (look at subisidies in Western Europe). And we don't borrow money from Communist China. Defecit spending is financed by the sale of government bonds (which I know is a form of borrowing), but most bonds are held by people within the United States and Western Europe.
jeanne responded in Message No. 10266
Greg, I mean that. Apologize, and don't you ever use that tone, and such words again on this site! I will not tolerate it.
If that's what you call debate, you better go do it somewhere else.
I'm sorry that you are so immature as to need supervision, but that's way out of line. And if you're in college, you should already know that. Does you Mother let you talk like that? Does you wife, or girlfriend or boyfriend? Do you have friends? Now either play nicely, or you'll have to go home.
Greg wrote in Message No. 10299
I am sorry, Professor (and I still don't mean that as an insult), but when I hear a statement like the one I commented on, I do not apologize for having the forthrightness to call it for what it really is.
jeanne responded in Message No.
Well, Greg when I hear a comment like the one you made, I do not apologize for having the forthrightness to call such arrogance and lack of humility for what it really is. I turst you can feel the sting in my use of your own words. If not, you need to listen more forthrightly, if you wish to engaage in empathy. You just can't seem to empathize with another's concerns. It would be good to practice on that. Moreover, the use of a title of authority on a site in which the primary purpose is one of "naked space" discussion, meaning that everyone is free to express themselves, so that we can come to know not only what we think, but how we have come to those conclusions, suggests that one person is more privy to the right answer than others. No one is privileged to the right answer on these issues. So please refrain from calling me "Professor." I am more privy to research techniques and academic or scholarly discourse. Thus, I moderate the discussion to give you the benefits of those skills. But none of us is free to insult the other. That does not promote discussion. That is a form of bullying people. And bullying has been recognized as a precursor to the commission of crimes. (Susan, I can't quote an authority, off the top of my head, but maybe you can. Got it. See Bullying facts at end of message.) But see Zero Tolerance for Bullying! on a University of Illinois at Urbana, Champaigne Website. http://web.extension.uiuc.edu/champaign/weekly/040821.html describes bullying. Take a look at verbal bullying in the second paragraph: "I asked my colleague Ruth Ann Vokac, Extension Educator for Youth Development in the Champaign Center to provide insight into this timely issue. According to Vokac, "Bullying is a student's repeated exposure to unprovoked, intentional, aggressive behavior that involves an imbalance of strength between a bully and the victim. It includes such activities as physical contact (hitting, pushing, holding, and kicking); extortion; stealing; damaging personal property; verbal abuse, including derogatory remarks, name calling, taunts or threats; making faces or rude gestures; omitting peers from activities; and perpetrating rumors." And see Zero Tolerance Bully Project http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/a/baw180/ Notice the grade level at which such sites are set. The Bully Project defines bullying as: "Bullying can be defined when a person is exposed repeatedly and intentionally to the negative actions of another. "Bullying behavior can be divided into three categories: Physical, Verbal and Social Isolation. "Physical: Hitting, Kicking, Punching, Pinching, Restraining another person against their will, Intentional Destruction of another possession, Making faces and dirty gestures. "Verbal: Threats, Taunting, Teasing and Name Calling "Social Isolation: Hard to identify, refers o intentional exclusion of another student from playing a game, or by one student spreading rumors about a certain individual in order to turn one or a group away from a particular student. ... 1."Children who are bullied are hurt and unhappy, have a high level of absenteeism, resulting in their loss of potential academic achievement 2."Bullying is NOT the victim's fault. IT IS time to stop blaming the victim. 3."Bullies have a 60% higher chance of having at least one criminal conviction by age 25. 4."Bullies have been know to be more aggressive towards teachers and adults. 5."Bullying is a world wide social problem. 6."Bullying can lead to suicide by the victims or violence from the victim to the villain in order to stop their pain. 7."Bullying is accepted by many parents as a normal part of growing up. This is NOT a normal part of growing up. 8."Boys have been reported more than girls in observable bullying incidents. They commonly use verbal or physical attacks on their victims. 9."Girls use physical or verbal attacks also, but their favorite method of bullying is social isolation, which through vicious lies will turn a group of girls against one leaving this one with no one to be a friend with. Social isolation methods can also include having a party, inviting all their classmates, and excluding one. Note Fact No. 3. There's our answer, Susan. That website is maintained by Penn State University, and resources are listed in links at the bottom of the page. Now I'll go put this up on the site. love and peace, jeanne Greg's original message to which jeanne is responding: --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Greg Dwyer"
wrote: > > I am sorry, Professor (and I still don't mean that as an insult), > but when I hear a statement like the one I commented on, I do not > apologize for having the forthrightness to call it for what it > really is.