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Created: May 16, 2006
Latest Update: May 23, 2006
jeannecurran@habermas.org
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Reports of Learning, Spring 2006Names listed sort of alphabetically by first name, since we don't always have the last name on transform_dom.
As of 1:30 Tuesday afternoon. Found all the lost mice I could. Am posting now to Toro Web. jeanne
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testingnot01.htm
What I Learned: On Transparent Learning without Tests - Grace Mosquera
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Testing as Labelling Harms: Taking Random Questions in Random Moments with Stress - jeanne
testingnot03.htm
Let It Happen, as Montessori Might Have Said - Star
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Thinking About What I Learned Pulls The Material Together for Me - Star
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What I'll Take Away with Me - Patrick Luani
anxofchoice01.htm
The Anxiety and Responsibility of Choice - Komeco West
illoclearning01.htm
Learning How to Differentiate Between Illocutionary and Instrumental and Governance Discourse - jeanne
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Trying to Understand Others: Illocutionary Discourse in My Own Words - by Jayson di Pasquale
challengers03.htm
Challengers Boys and Girls Club - Report of site visit by Patrick Luani
Just for fun!
I think I'll save this class evaluation - maybe do a painting for it:
Pat, I used to think you and Jeanne were just charmingly whacky! I have learned you gals are whacky with a purpose! You get folk's attention, and then they can't let go! You need to bottle that stuff, but you'd probably never sell it. You would just give it out to the community for free.Love
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Message No. 315 - learning Records Hi Jeanne:I didn't realize that sharing the knowlege of how to make "a card" could be so fullfilling until yesterday. It really gave me somewhat of a "rush" to see how appreciative the students were to learn how to make some thing as simple as a "box."
Aaron McD
Aaron, I don't know what I'd do without your help in the visual projects. Please don't get lost as we move into the community over the summer, jeanne. By the way, did you ever get a frog done? Your mother would have loved one, trust me. jeanne
- No Child Left Behind Discussion
On the Duke U. Alleged Rape Message No. 12552.
Yes I believe it will be a "RACIAL" issue because the "WHITE" Boys parents have more resources at their disposal.
A MGood comment, Aaron. But you leave it just as a comment. We talk, and I know there is more. But I want you to learn to write enough to draw others into the discussion along governance discourse lines.
You've got a whole glob of unstated assumptions there, many of which need to be discussed, as Mevysen and Pearsontun jumped in to discuss, without ever quite explaining in simple terms of English how you each came to your positions on these issues. Rape, and what constitutes rape, and how we handle it is one issue. Was the entertainer responsible for having engaged in such entertainment? NO. But we need to talk about how that lingers on in the issue of rape. Race and the interaction between rape and race is another issue, that you recognize, as does Pearsontun, and I think that's what Mevysen is referring to. White privilege and what it means and how it applies here is another issue. And the privilege of power in the execution of justice is at issue. No simple answers. But well informed university students should think like this when they raise the issue, so they can help the community understand the complexity.
As we approach the issues with this level of complexity we move into governance discourse or "responsibility of each for all and all for each."
- Samples of Visual Production for Stimulation of Social Issue Discussion
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Visual work in class.
Illocutionary discourse in our own words Message No. 13343. Nicely stated, Amber.
I just wanted to extend a Thank you to Jeanne, Pat, and everyone in Sociology 595 at CSUDH. Once again, Jeanne has enabled me to listen and learn from my peers in order to deepen my acceptance and understanding of others views and experiences. Isn't that the core of illocutionary discourse? I had never heard this term before until I took Jeanne's class last year, and I will never forget it. At times, it may be hard to fully stop and listen intently to another person to see how they form their opinion on an issue, but that is why humility of knowlege is so important. There is a good chance that when you take the time to really hear what your fellow human beings have to say, you will learn something that you never knew. There are times when we think what we know is the absolute truth, however, we need to understand that we don't know everything. That is why incorporating others views into your own makes your understanding of the world that much more substantial. The fact that we sit in a circle in Jeanne's class allows us the freedom to know that someone elses opinion is not superior to our own. We are all equal in Jeanne's class, which should be a mirror for how we treat each other in society. Thanks once again."
Amber
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I will continue to post visual production pieces when I fix my scanner. jeanne
Shared you visual work in class. Hope you'll bring in some for the summer exhibit.
Nice gesture of collaborative help in Message No. 11389. Also good dialog with Karey on Message 9690
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It was fun sharing the making of the waterfall card with you. Hope you got to make the froggy one, too. Your little one will like it. 'Cept as I recall, you don't like frogs. What did you make instead??
Message No. 13213 on feminism, 21st Century style. Intersting dialog, ever so different from the feminist dialog of the seventies. Gee, I wish we had more time to go more deeply into this; maybe this summer, jeanne
See also Message No. 13202.
Message No. 296 - Learning Records. Netwrok beginning to recognize ability to use one another as sources, technical, in this case.
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Illocutionary Discourse Message No. 13339. Good explanation in your own words of the importance of illocutionary dicourse skills, plus good example of your application of that in Message 13358.
Participatiion in dialog on exit exam Messge No. 13358. Pearsontun did a good job in this dialog on recognizing both sides, recognizing the complexity, and suggesting improvement to the infrastructure. jeanne
Samples of cards and other visual productions will continue to go up as we prepare for our summer exhibit.
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Message 11107. Sabra and Brenda. I, like Randy, am sorry if you were offended. But a part of learning illocutionary discourse is learning how to engage with and listen to others when their views, their perspectives, are so different they clash with your own. We live in an age when things are said on regular channel TV that make my mouth fall open. Those aren't closed forums, where we can talk about and come to understand what they hope we will take from our viewing. Anyone can listen, and misunderstand.
I know that both of you are loving and giving people. But neither of you has given me the chance to go over what is happening and why it needs to happen to accomplish the goals of illocutionary discourse. Isn't that unfair to me? And to Randy if he had anything to do with it? There are many ways to love and care. If those who give that love and caring differently are rejected because of their difference we shall remain forever divided, forever at war, not peace.
We are trying to reintroduce love, caring, respect, justice, and fairness. But doing that is not a game where "someone," anyone, can enforce the rules. For Christians, God made the rules, that Christians must choose good for themselves, and he expects everyone of us to do so. So ours is not an easy task if we're serious and we mean it. Forgiveness, good faith listening, and probably a good measure of pain and hurt will be just a part of the cost. Of course, there is then the incredible reward that I have found in reading and answering many of these messages. The joy of seeing us back down and recognize another's point of view is what keeps us going on, one step at a time, toward community and peace.
Sabra, before I got sick, I was planning to come to Challengers. Still am. So you'll have a chance to go through this with me. Brenda, I hope you'll take the time. For all of us.
Love and peace, jeanne
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Message No. 13513. What Carlos sees as the advantage to student-centered learning.
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Celia wrote:Jeanne and Pat, I hope you both feel better, don't over work yourselves. Thank you both for the opportunity of finding a joy in learning, by applying our learning through hands on experiences both in class, and in our community.
Thanks Again
Celia PizAnd Martha Garcia responded:
Yeah same here, thanks you guys for the opportunity of having this class. It helped me stay the open minded person that I am and helped me understand that although people have different views they can be espressed in certain ways for everyone to hear and take in whether they share views or not... I loved the hands on activities and sharing them with others, It helped bring atleast a lil love in this world. Thanks a bunch
MarthaDewey would have told us way back when that hands-on experience matters. For all of us, seniors, college students, professionals, pre-K thru 12. It matters because it offers a visual component to learning, which accomodates those of us who are visual learners, and gives all of us a way to avert our eyes legitimately if the discussion begins to cause affect we'd rather others not see.
love and peace, jeanne
Message No. 13054 Good review of our goals:
Jeanne,You mentioned on Wed. how children are often being told to study, study, study. Most of time this is the last thing they want to do. I think that by getting them involved in doing cards, and sending messages through them, this is a great way for them to learn while at the same time express their creativity. As adults we were given the opportunity to find the joy of learning by learning cooperatively through this website by giving our critical insights on topics which interest us. Others were able to go out to our community and apply our learning, and bring awareness on current issues, an effective way of doing this was through illocutionary discourse. We must be able to face our community and practice illocutionary discourse in order to hear what others are says, and also be heard in good faith.
Celia Piz
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Message No. 12439on child predators on the Internet. I'd like to see this dialog move in the direction of how we as Web users let it be known to other users that sexual familiarity is not acceptable in a teen age chat room. Maybe next semester?
Message No. 12364 on unanswered child's call for help to 911 - mother dies when help not sent - good dialog on the need for trust and respect for the Other, especially when that Other is a child.
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It has been so much fun working with you. We're gonna get your dolls finished. And I'm so glad you had fun with froggy. jeanne
You've done a good job of covering the issues, but I'd like to have a little time with you to hook them into a key point breakdown for illocutionary discourse.
For example: Scroll down and see how many students responded to you. Jackie even tells us why she's changed her mind on the issue.
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Christina, i haven't been able to pull up a single message with the id you gave me. Contact me, please. jeanne
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I'm waiting to see your froggy, which you did all by yourself!! hint! hint! jeanne
Good catch on a coded message Mesage No. 13364. Randy and Kathleen were trying to wake people up with irony and exaggeration.
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Thanks to our discussions, Cindy I have an extensive understanding of your community participation in a variety events this semester, including the immigration issue and the translation to Spanish of much of our material. jeanne
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Thanks for always being there to help us when we need to move exhibits and offices around. Meanwhile, though, where are you????? Are you close to graduation? We'll probably need you this summer. jeanne
Message No. 11647 Corey, Jamal at least said why he felt as he did about immigration. I realize that you were probably agreeing with Jamal, and might not have read Randy's response, but at the next stage of discourse development, you've got to learn to deal with these arguments with greater sophistication and greater detail.Message No. 11677 Mevysen sees this as a house divided. May be. But is also a house in dire need of illocutionary and resource discourse.
Message No. 13519 Jeanne is trying to give our dialog a slightly different perspective.
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Your visual work was done later becauses of time conflict. Maybe you'd like to share that as we prepare for summer exhibit. jeanne
Transform_dom id not picking up the messages, Denice. We'll need to fix it.
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Message No. 10853 Edwina, each of us is different in how we deal with grief. There is, however, a theory I could recommend that might help you understand: Rotter's locus of control theory. Individuals are divided, I would presume about like we are in IQ (a normal curve, or close to) along a broad spectrum in their sense of control. Think of the Bell curve, and imagine most people sitting on the fence (average or norm) between "I control what happens to me" and the other extreme of "life just happens, and I can't do anything about it."
People who tend towards an inner locus of control, the position that believes that they they are in control and can do something about most things, are often hardest hit when they encounter things they can't control, like death, natural disasters, tyrants, etc. If you and your family have generally been able to control your lives remaining socially and economically stable, you'll probably have a harder time dealing with the grief, because you can't control this situation.
Does that help?
love and peace, jeanne
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Esther, I need you to share your art work with us for the summer exhibition. jeanne
Message No. 298 - Learning Records Helping each other through the complexities of using off-campus technology, and forming a support group in the process. jeanne
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Thanks for the information, Evelia. Message No.13487. Evelia, your message is illustrative of the enhanced ability this forum affords us to overcome some of the quotidien (everyday) barriers we encounter in modern urban education. I'm delighted that you stayed in touch, and were able to go on with the course.
I missed a couple of your classes because I fractured my clavicle bone. I fell off of a horse; NO BIG DEAL; I'm alive and OK. Not only that, but my grandfather passed away. This semester has been really hard for me. Hopefully this doesn't hurt my grade. Please let me know if Im missing anything.I'm not so sure about your picking up my bad habits of "I can do this" no matter what, but it was pretty funny as you fed my own words back to me. jeanne
See also Message No. 13202 on today's feminism.
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Fun sharing the visual work with you. You may want to see that I have picture or piece for summer exhibit.
Transform_dom message id not pulling up messages. jeanne
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Your help with the art work both this and last semester was greatly appreciated.
Grace, you did a wonderful job of putting some of the concepts from this semester into your own words. I posted it at What I Learned: On Transparent Learning without Tests.
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Jackie I remember one of the first cards we made and how after just a little exchange of ideas you used that card to reach out and try to understand someone close to you. I hope you'll bring that sensitivity with us to the Challenger Boys and Girls Club. jeanne
Message No. 12264 on the challengers Boys a nd Girls Club
"Greetings,Jeanne, first I must thank you for allowing the students who chose to do so to attend the Challenger Boys and Girls Club and Sabra for setting up the tour.
It was a wonderful experience. I mean words can not say how the center touched my heart. To learn how one man took nothing and made something, took a negative and turned it into a positive and all of this done from charity backing is amazing. Lou Danzler is the most humble man I have ever met. I told him that he is the Moses of South Central Los Angeles. I don't think he realizes how many people he has touched and encouraged by what he is and has done for the community. He has touched my heart in more ways then I can ever express from the tour. God has blessed this man to bless us in compassion, truth, respect, accountability, consideration, and kindness plus more for other.
Sabra, it must be a joy for you to work with the club. I personally would like to do some voluntary work after I finish school.
Jackie, Pat and I plan to work with the Challenger Boys and Girls Club. We're hoping to take the whole art project over there for them, and we're gonna need your help.
Message No. 12100 This message on how communities should handle sex effeders who are released from incarceration begins to illustrate how knowledge in the community grows beginnng the healing process of illocutionary discourse and shared community awareness and accountability. I'm glad so many of you found that Canadian brochure helpful. jeanne
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Message No, 13499. Time conflict. Message No, 12869 Dialog with Jae Soo, Nikki, and Michael. Good brainstorming session, in the best of times we'd get a chance to follow this with some references to support the arguments. jeanne
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Message No. 13540. James describes how some of our project works with his students:
[Pat in hospital.] Sorry to hear that. Val brought this up to me earlier. Hopefully nothing was broken. I'll keep her in my prayers.And I need to call her and thank her for helping me get into your class. it was a real eye opener. Discussions and interaction make learning and lecture so much more tolerable than reading out of books constantly, with no interest to learn.
Though the school I work at, makes me go by the book. Most of the students don't pay attention until the last 5 minutes of class, when I allow them to discuss any of the social issues they are experiencing or current events. The hands go up rapidly, and everyone is fighting for a chance to speak on the things they feel are relevant to their life.
You can learn a lot from each other during interacting in dicussions. i even had a 10th grade student tell me stuff about HPV, that i didn't know. i mentioned it thinking i was telling them something new, and when i got the initials wrong, one of the girls corrected me on it. We talk about it for about 10 minutes, and they were all eager to know almost everything available about it. Thanks again.
James, as soon as I get the sciatica pain under control we're going to network with all of you who could use our visual arts projects to help these young people learn and keep them aware. Froggy can help with HPV. You probably got the initials wrong because I got them wrong. I'd never heard of it either. Sometimes the "testing" stuff doesn't leave you who are teaching in traditional schools the time to do the art projects with the kids, which I think would be best. But if we package the guelphs, froggie mobile, flower gifts, whatever, they could put their own together while they're talking. Stay in touch, James, so we can plan this summer for next Fall.Thanks for sharing the story. jeanne
Message No. 13517 On living together before marriage. Interesting that this dialog started out as pure feelings. It's clearly one of the issues both men and women need to talk about openly and fearlessly because there are so many wicked little unstated assumptions running through the responses. James, for example, you are assuming that the male is callous enough to take blatant advantage in several ways of the woman he has chosen to live with. Need to examine those unstated assumptions. jeanne
Message No. 13292 Pretty rational dialog on the DaVinci Code. jeanne
Message No. 13318 Good example of the transform_dom community sharing information. I hope this summer and next Fall I can update the indexes so that you'll have immediately accessible resources on all this stuff. A dream for the future. And James, I'm glad to see our males taking interest in problems that were once merely dismissed as the "Mother's problem." Discussion continued on Message No. 13346. jeanne.
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Message 12914. Another section of the immigration discussion with several participants. Ideally would have been followed by focussed consideration of the theoretical background for each of the arguments, but we didn't get to go past illocutionary discourse, jeanne Message No. 322 on Learning Records. Good description of listening to others in bad faith, and then realizing the harm that does to the relationship. I'm glad you picked up on this and told the story so well, Jayson. I know your sister will be delighted to hear this explanation for the whole to do. Isn't funny how easily we dig ourselves into a poistion, and then won't give it up for love nor money??? jeanne
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Pat says she's been sharing much of our art work with you. Will look forward to playing together this summer. jeanne
Message No.13260 Careful what you wish for in feminism.
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Jose, I know of your work in class, and of your efforts to get transform_dom to work with Pat.
Message No. 11763 One of the earlier discussions on homosexuality and pejorative, affect-laden language. Jose is struggling with putting the ideas into his own language, but he's still going to need to go over it some more to make it his. Note that it's unclear whatever I must have meant in "demanding respect for the other," and how that fits into Jose's "a perfect description of how they misinterpret the real meaning of some pejorative language." We weren't comfortably using illocutionary discourse yet, and I wasn't always able to catch all these little glitches. One thing we'll want to do is go through them this summer and use them to guide us as we move on to instrumental and governance discourse. jeanne Jose's Message No. 11763:
Hello jeanne my name is Jose Raul Suarez.This article shows how we could get decieved by the misuse of some words. Calling someone a racist implies many negative things but also has to do with the pejorative language.As I was reading this article I realized that power and authority affects people's lives. Those who have the power to make positive and great changes in our society they just make everything worst. Jeanne as you were saying that we all demand respect for the other is a perfect description of how they misinterpret the real meaning of some pejorative language.
- No Child Left Behind Discussion
Message No. 12710 Good example of the confusion that often precedes opening oneself in good faith to the perspective of others. Jose, incarceration is a major social problem today, and no one has the right answers yet. Restorative justice may be one step in the right direction, but that two involves hazards, such as when the community, instead of good faith understanding, exercises tyranny. jeanne
- Samples of Visual Production for Stimulation of Social Issue Discussion
I'll continue to get up samples of our work over summer. Gotta fix my scanner. jeanne
Karen, I owe you an apology. You had jus told me you were not "good" at crafts, and then I fussed that your froggy had only one arm. How on earth did I expect you to know that although not realistic, he wasn't one of my totally abstract "guelphs." No excuses. It was the next day that the pain hit hard from the sciatica. It was also the day I plaintively wailed at Rigo that his froggy didn't look like a frog. I apologize to you both. I was clearly having a bad day.
And then I wasn't there to finish froggy the next week. We'll get him done sometime this summer. And I promise not to be completely unreasonable. Crafts aren't done just by professionals. The making of things is good for stress relief, and little gifts we've made and offered to others add love to the world whether we're talented or not. Read Star's experience with her froggy or whatever.
Message No, 12964 Karen, you brought up some interesting points on the legalization of drugs, though I'm not sure I clearly understand what the increased medical costs would entail.
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Karey Riem wrote in Message 13138 about one of the children left behind. It doesn't sound like her niece belongs in continuation school, because the intent of such schools is to help prepare those who are in difficulties with the social fabric, not with illness. But often the school infrastructure makes it hard, as it seems to have done here, for families to find the appropriate place for someone like Karey's niece. Another instance of that silly name ignoring those who really do slip through the cracks. jeanne
Message 13138. Hello everyone, I know I have been MIA lately, my niece was in town and we had some very important business to take care of. I thought I might share our experience since it does tie in with class. My niece is 16 1/2. She is technically a Junior in High school, but only has 35 credits. As most of you know you need 200 + credits to graduate from High School plus pass the exit exam. So my niece had a meeting with her school's counselor and they simply told her she doesn't belong there anymore and that she would be sent to the continuation school across town. Now, just to be clear, my niece is not into drugs, alcohol or gangs, she had some medical problems and was in and out of the hospital for most of her high school carreer, hence the absences and lack of credits. So she came to stay with me and my family for a couple of weeks (the continuation school was on break) to look at her options. We researched continuation school and Job Corps. For those of you unfamiliar with, Job Corps, here is their website: http://jobcorps.doleta.gov/about.cfm
It is a no-cost educational/vocational program for people ages 16- 25. The program is a live in program, students are not to leave unless they are going to work, of which they go on the Job Corps bus/van. They do get 2 weeks for Christmas and 2 weeks for Summer to see their family and friends, their parents are also allowed to visit with advance notice. This program appears strict, but very effective. We could not tour this facility because I am not my niece's legal gaurdian. The goal of this program is to get a young person back on track, to earn a high school diploma, or GED and get them job training. My niece considered it, but was unsure about not being able to see her family and friends, as most 16 1/2 year olds would be.
The continuation school in my area, seemed the opposite. Young adults go there half day, sometimes getting fridays off. The first two weeks are "orientation" weeks where they learn what clothes are unacceptable to wear, sex education and drug rehabilitation (doesn't matter if you are not on drugs). Students are encouraged to get a job for the other half of their day. So...which did she choose? Which would you have chosen at 16 1/2? Well, my niece is at continuation school. Her assesment after her first couple of days, "This school is easier than my old school!" She explained to me that she is the only girl there that isn't in a gang or pregnant and all of the guys there are in gangs. I was tutoring her in Math while she was here, we got through basic skills and into Algebra, she said, "The basic skills we went over are what they teach for Algebra class here" The school has also promised that she will earn her high school degree in a little over a year. So now I am left to wonder.....is shipping off kids to continuation school a way of pretending that they didn't leave them behind? Do they actually think that by sending her there she is getting an opportunity? Yes, I should look on the bright side...afterall, she didn't drop out, she's not pregnant, she's not in a gang, I should be happy she is even in a school, but she deserves more in my book. To me, she is getting left behind, the system has just found a way to make it look like they saved her.
Karey Riem
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i know you've been doing some of our visual work with your grandchildren. Wait til you see froggie. I'll get him up soon. My scanner came unplugged, and I can't crawl under this desk with the sciatica pain. Soon. jeanne
You've done a wonderful job of helping those who needed computer skills, and of welcoming new people as they come on the discussion site. Sample: Message No. 9690. And i've watched you thinking over critically many of the issues that came up as we pondered the myriad issuses that enter into the concept of "No Child Left Behind." Sample: Message No. 9696.
I was also impressed as you played with Randy on changing the language from one side of the issue to the other. Excellent practice. Especially if you want to be a lawyer or a teacher or a conflict negotiator someday.
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Message No. 298 - Learning Recoords. On the need to help children by modifying our behavior to help them modigy theirs.
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Kim, I'd like you to join us in this activity. Maybe this summer?
Message No. 266 - Learning Records. On sneaky strokes. Kim relates the concept of senakey strokes to her experience in the corporate world.
Message No. 270 - Learning Records. Support network begins to grow between Komeco and Kim. You folks need to start a project with ever-ready "good dogs." jeanne
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It was fun sharing with you in the art projects, Komeko. We'll have more of those projects up this summer. jeanne
Message No.13512. Great illustration of The Anxiety and Responsibility of Choice. p>Message No. 270 - Learning Records. Support network begins to grow between Komeco and Kim. You folks need to start a project with ever-ready "good dogs." jeanne
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Message No. 12828 Dialog on the fears for Post Traumatic Stress syndrome with returning veterans. Good illustration of our need to share some of these fears and concerns. jeanne
Message No. 12749 Lizbeth, I hope that Dear Habermas will go on well into the future, so we will have this forum for such sharing. jeanne
Message No. 12438 A section of the discssion site when affect was high, and we seem to have forgotten our illocutionary discourse. Compare it to the more civilized sound as the semester neared its end. Lizbeth's comment is about halfway down the file, and she pleads well for balance and going more deeply into the issues behind the appearances. Good job. jeanne
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I have no record of any messages on transform_dom, including fact that you did not submit an id. That should be taken care of by this weekend. jeanne
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Message No. 13433. Thanks, Nicole. You'll get a chance to submit those froggies, etc. once grades are in. I'm planning a summer exhibition because it turned out I couldn't do the Spring exhibit when I got sick. Your message is a good example of how we manage to really function over distance, both with keeping each other informed, and with transparent grading. No, you don't need to do anything else. I have your records. jeanne
And in Message No. 13392, Nicole shares information. Transform_dom has turned out to be a good forum for developing networks and resources.
Financial Aid Message No. 13392. Kathleen and Nicole discuss the financial aid process, showing how illocutionary discourse helps us become resources for one another.
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Message No, 13472 Maria used the froggie mobile to teach the importance of hand washing. She set up a whole lesson plan. Some of you might want to take a look. If you borrow it, don't forget to give Maria credit. Notice this activity doesn't lend itself to testing, but does involve important learning.
Message No. 13066 Wonderful input to the dialog on the immigration demonstrations and flag burning. jeanne
See also Message No. 13059 for earlier entries in that dialog. jeanne
Message No. 12461 Interesting point, Maria. Can the administratiion make a difference in what we expect of our students? jeanne
Good balanced participation in the dialogs. jeanne
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Message No. 13522 Splendid, Maria. It isn't wonderful that we CAN help people learn the things they need to know? jeanne
Betty Pearson and Marcia Marquez had the following exchange on transform_dom while I was already trying to get the grades up. It said a great deal to me about how we have neglected the feminist issues of Super Woman as the pressures that the conservative movement force us all into Super Workers with little compensation and less understanding of what it means to our lives. I hope you will all hear in this dialog children left behind by an insensitivity to who we are and where our values lie, and an infrastructure that thrives on greed. That's a personal opinion. Just me, like just Kathleen. i could pull up the references and state the argument academically. But, hell, I'm too tired, just like Betty and Marcia. I'm gonna go tall my husband and my cat I love them, and call my kid and tell her, too. Good idea, Marcia. And then, when I finish the grades, that is putting the actual grades on Toro web, then I'm gonna take a day off and love the world.women are the last thought about but the first there for everyone. i had a great time at the graduation ceremony on friday i told my family-brothers, fathers,grandmothers I AM NOT DEALING WITH MY CHILDREN TODAY it was my day i took the day. my friend gave mey specail treatment that day and did everything for ME. I had to make sure the kids were picked up and things went smoothly my friends are still talking about the day. Women need a day its hard we are conditioned to do everything I stop and smell the roses and spend time with other people it bettyAnswered by Maria's Message No. 13344
I can pretty much relate to you. I work full time, go to school full time but unfortunately I can't be a full time mom or wife. I would love to stop working, so I can focus more on school and my family. But as we all know this economy is getting crazy, everything is going up except our paychecks and it is really hard to have only one parent in the household working.
Even though I spend more time at work and in school at this time. I always make sure that every time I'm close to my family I tell how much I love them.
Maria Marquez
Message No. 12808 discussion on putting students in circles. I was struck by the fact that none of the messages I read in this stretch of dialog mentioned that I refuse to teach if the students aren't in a circle. Y'all just went right on to discuss what a good idea circles are, and Maria, you planned to do something practical, like tell your son's teacher in his pre-school. That's called anserability and civic responsibility, and it just might lead to governance. Yeah. jeanne
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Message No. 13503 On froggy and washing hands and HPV. Marisol, you didn't have to report this, but it's a good idea to let me know what you're doing and learning. We're a big group, and we're planning to become much more active in the community. So these little stories help us all. Thanks for the effort. jeanne
Part of the Coded Messages debate with kathleen and randy Mesage No. 13377.
On the burning of the Mexican flag at one of the immigration protests. Message No. 13048. Good dialog between Kathleen and Marisol. Again, I wish we'd had more time for this. jeanne
Hello Jeanne,
I hope you are feeling much better. I didnt know we had to post our community activity on trandform_dom, but know that i figuered it out here it goes:The last time we had class, we made a froggy and we had a brief discussion on HPV. Later that week I went to church. Im in the Youth Band. So in the little time i had, i brought down my Froggy from the Car (although it wasn't the best froggy, Since i helped Chris with his. (HINT HINT) But it was very helpful. I was telling The Girls between the ages of 16 - 21 about the virus and how to prevent it. We talked about it and they asked me a few questions, and I told them about what i knew and told them to go to the website, since they spend hours in the internet might as well check a web page that is a benefit to them. Most likely they did, since last thursday when it was break time from practice at church we walked to the restroom and I noticed that not only they put more than one toilet cover but they exaggerated when they washed their hands. I was surprised. I never thought how much a simple conversation would change a couple of habits.
It was a beautiful expierience and very worthy. LOVE, MARISOL HERNANDEZ
Good report, Marisol. These are the skills that prepare all of us for the democracy of governance discourse. We need to talk to each other about important social issues. When those issues become topics of everyday conversation, they are more likely to be approached with less affect and better community foresight and action.
love and peace, jeanne
Celia wrote:Jeanne and Pat, I hope you both feel better, don't over work yourselves. Thank you both for the opportunity of finding a joy in learning, by applying our learning through hands on experiences both in class, and in our community.
Thanks Again
Celia PizAnd Martha Garcia responded:
Yeah same here, thanks you guys for the opportunity of having this class. It helped me stay the open minded person that I am and helped me understand that although people have different views they can be espressed in certain ways for everyone to hear and take in whether they share views or not... I loved the hands on activities and sharing them with others, It helped bring atleast a lil love in this world. Thanks a bunch
MarthaDewey would have told us way back when that hands-on experience matters. For all of us, seniors, college students, professionals, pre-K thru 12. It matters because it offers a visual component to learning, which accomodates those of us who are visual learners, and gives all of us a way to avert our eyes legitimately if the discussion begins to cause affect we'd rather others not see.
love and peace, jeanne
Message No. 13437 Martha is feeding into the dialog on our government spying on us. Some good points, Martha. Hope we'll have more time this summer to talk about this. jeanne
Message No. 13435 Martha, I like particularly that in most of your messages you are clearly responding to what others have said. You're listening attentively, and staying on focus with the topic. Hope you'll come back in the Summer or Fall so we can further with some of these disscussions. jeanne
You see it all depends on the child. Good that you're listening in good faith to the child and herbehavior. I practically take care of my niece every other week. If I hit her everytime she had a tantrum, she would, in a way, get used to it. It would end up being something expected. So what I usually do, and something that has worked, is that I put her in time out. She does not like it at all, but once she gets her tantrums, I put her there and ignore her, but of course keep an unnoticable, to her, eye on her. She usually ends up blowing off her steam, and once she's done, she comes back and acts like everything is back to normal. As soon as I see her all calmed down, I talk to her about it and tell her that that is not a way to get what you want, and also that she needs to tell me what she wants in a good manner and tell me why she gets so angry.Maybe I shlould put you in charge of angry field mice, Martha. This message provides an excellent example of why we need such a forum as transform_dom. We can share experiences with one another this way. Not only to we come to know one another better in the process (illocutionary effect), we also come to realize that as a community we are also a resource network. Thank you for taking the time to share this. jeanne
Message No. 11680 Good analysis of the immigration walkout as Martha saw it. I was pleased with the way you tried to balance the different perspectives, Martha. jeanne
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Message No. 12993 on visual learning - I'd also like you to look at visual sociology and Message No. 12995 on illegal immigration - good points. jeanne
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Message No. 12724 Duke U. Hockey Team Alleged Rape Message No. 12724. Michael this is a good example of where you make a succinct statement and then leave it up to the Other to think though what you mean by that. Gee, I wish you'd give a little more guidance, especially as you prepare to go into higher education teaching. jeanne
Message No. 12523 Michael, "Are you so blind that you do not see that it's greed pure and simple that drives this economic engine?" is NOT part of illocutionary language. It's pejorative, insulting, and takes a definite side as though that side were "right" and the other "wrong." That's inappropriate for an educational setting. jeanne
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Message No. 13401. Monica writes about an experience at work:
Hi Jeanne,I wanted to share this experience that I encounted the other day at work. It drawn to my attention this little boy as he, was playing at the playground with other children, he mentioned that all Spanigh speaking people are Mexicans. When I heard this I felt offended because I said to myself, from where is this child learning this. I understand that his to young to probably distinguish the difference of ethic groups or that not all Latinos are Mexicans, and that not only Mexican speak spanish. Since, that day I feel that we, as adults, need to teach our children that there are different ethic groups and that not all Mexicans are all Latinos, and that not all Chinese are Japanese. And, it does not matter where we come from, we all have the capacity to speak and learn different languages. Talk to you later!
Love and Peace,
Monica Ceja
Sounds very much to me like a project for cards and a couple of basic language lessons. Tell you what, we can work on it over the summer, after I get a little rest from grades. jeanne
Message No. 296 - Learning Records. Netwrok beginning to recognize ability to use one another as sources, technical, in this case with Monica nd April.
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Message No. 12947 on the effects of the May 1 immigration protests. Nikki and Yemile talking about how it increased their awareness. These same two discussed Frist's suggest $100 rebate on federal gas taxes: Message No. 12945. Here's the beginning of awareness. Nikki and Yemile are actually talking about current events. Nice step towards governance discourse. jeanne
Message No. 12944. Charlie and Nikki are discussing the proposed legalization of drugs by Mexican President Fox. Of course, he finally didn't sign the bill, but important issues were raised. Maybe we'll get to carry this discussion a little further this summer. jeanne
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Message No. 13322 on the exit exams. Good short message, recognizing both pros and cons.
Message No. 12953 Dialog on child abuse, Nyisha, Kathleen, Betty . . . They're heading towards mapping out the complexity. Had we more time, the next step would be to see that each argument and/or factor is covered by solid academic resources, and then to move to governance discourse. With the background from this semester we may be able to get there next semester. jeanne
Message No. 12948 This dialog offeres a lamentation on gas prices. Nyisha is depressed; Komeco disillusioned; Yemi pissed off. Here we're staying in a dominant discourse mode, everybody bitching, but no one really exploring the issue very deeply. Next step: sources and move to governance discourse in search for solutions. For more explanation read Learning How to Differentiate Between Illocutionary and Instrumental and Governance Discourse.
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It was a joy working with the whole group of you in the graduate section. I was exhausted from three hours of previous lecturing, but a half hour into the art sessions I found myself as energized as in a lecture. I just wish I'd given you all more time for the art work and for visits to community groups that need and want it.
Thank you, Patrick. And, yes, there will be a zillion things to do as we move into the community with the sharing of discourse. I'll get more on this up as soon as I have grades in. jeanneMessage No. 13443. I am saddened not to say thank you in person Jeanne, but thanks again for the wealth of knowledge you have shared with me. I will deffiently keep in touch and add to any discussions on transformdom as I see fit. I will be around next semester. If you decide to teach next fall let me know If you need help with anything dealing with this class or anything else.
Patrick
Beautiful example of the sharing of information: Message No. 13305. And the sharing goes on: Message No. 13132.
Will get these up when I fix my scanner. jeanne
Check out Randy's plea for help for Dafur.. Scroll down to the blue box for Randy's (Zaragoza Bill) comments.
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Good dialog happening in Message No. 10016 on issues of white privilege:
"Sabra;"We must be care not to play into strategies of divide and conquer. Re. the outcome of the Rodney King horror. Doing something drastic may have elicited a desirable response on a tactical level, a short term victory, but it also reinforced feelings of fear in our majority brothers that the tenor of Gregs posts exemplify.
"If we are to truly build a more just and inclusive society we must create the conditions for people to come together. Fear is not one of the components."
Also note Randy's recounting of one of the classic studies is racism: Message No. 13490. Lesson of a Lifetime. In the Smithsonian Magazine, May 2006.
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Randy, as a community member from across the country you haven't had a chance to share in our visual work. But i seem to recall your saying you had a young son. Some of us need to share with you some of our art work. I think both you and your son would enjoy it.
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Thanks for volunteering to take people to the Challengers Boys and Girls Club. jeanne
Message No. 13256 Rigo, you tell someone to go see the Da Vinci Code with no hint of why: "hey go see the tom hanks new film because it can teach you a thing or two." This certainly isn't illocutionary discourse, and it count as very poor instrumental discourse, because you've addressed the other person pejoratively, as though they know nothing.
We had this exchange on May 10 and May 12, yet I find no record of your having corrected it. jeanne
Message No. 13162 Thanks, Rigo. I wasn't able to tell from your messages that you enjoyed the class. Some of that is that you need more practice on using illocutionary discourse. jeanne
Message No. 11055 Good!. You gave your source. jeanne
Message No. 10167 Rigo, I'm glad you like the class. I think you're right it is important to discuss these issues. But you hang more on the periphery and lurk more than you talk. You need to practice going more deeply into the dialog. Your reticence is learned, not natural. Kathleen's a great person to talk to. I think she really means that she wants to know better what you're thinking it. Use this opportunity to recognize that you're not giving others as much as they'd like. The decide with that awareness whether that's really what you want to do. jeanne.
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I'm not aware of any particpation in this area.
Messges answering some of my questions up on Learning Records group on Yahoo.
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Rocio, I can't pull up any messages from this semester under the id you gave me. We'll need to fix that. Preferably by this weekend.
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Message 11107. Sabra and Brenda. I, like Randy, am sorry if you were offended. But a part of learning illocutionary discourse is learning how to engage with and listen to others when their views, their perspectives, are so different they clash with your own. We live in an age when things are said on regular channel TV that make my mouth fall open. Those aren't closed forums, where we can talk about and come to understand what they hope we will take from our viewing. Anyone can listen, and misunderstand.
I know that both of you are loving and giving people. But neither of you has given me the chance to go over what is happening and why it needs to happen to accomplish the goals of illocutionary discourse. Isn't that unfair to me? And to Randy if he had anything to do with it? There are many ways to love and care. If those who give that love and caring differently are rejected because of their difference we shall remain forever divided, forever at war, not peace.
We are trying to reintroduce love, caring, respect, justice, and fairness. But doing that is not a game where "someone," anyone, can enforce the rules. For Christians, God made the rules, that Christians must choose good for themselves, and he expects everyone of us to do so. So ours is not an easy task if we're serious and we mean it. Forgiveness, good faith listening, and probably a good measure of pain and hurt will be just a part of the cost. Of course, there is then the incredible reward that I have found in reading and answering many of these messages. The joy of seeing us back down and recognize another's point of view is what keeps us going on, one step at a time, toward community and peace.
Sabra, before I got sick, I was planning to come to Challengers. Still am. So you'll have a chance to go through this with me. Brenda, I hope you'll take the time. For all of us.
Love and peace, jeanne
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Sorry I missed you Wednesday. Pain's still too bad to drive. But we'll do our exhibit in the summer.
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Message No. 13192 Thank you, Shirley. I guess I need every "good dog" I can get to keep me from giving up when colleagues ask if I couldn't possible measure your learning. Never mind that I'm a statistician and a physicist. I'm a Phi Beta Kappa, and when I was initiated in 1957 to that honor society, teachers who elected us one by one in meetings taking seriously by all of us, told us they were passing on the torch of learning that we might carry it on. I've been trying ever since, but somehow we seem to have been overcome by testing and bureaucracy. Your message found the words that touched me when I was young and kept me going like that hyper little battery bunny.
Nobody was embarrassed to perform...or ridiculed. It was a positive, rewarding, enriching exercise in getting along...I remember...talking [with you] more like adults than teacher-student. You treated us (Soc 595) as peers... You encouraged me and instilled in me an appreciation for learning.May all of you now take up the torch as I get a little overwhelmed with carrying it, and carry it for our communities, that we may all overcome testing together and discover real learning. Thanks ever so much for the "good dog," jeanne
Message No. 12739 Good description of complexities with states' rights and gay marriage.
Message No, 12471 Almost all of you who visited the Challengers' site came back with the enthusiasm that stimulates a community to see itself differently and to build support for its young people. Stay in touch this summer and next fall. We'll begin our outreach program to these communities. jeanne
Message No. 12100 This message on how communities should handle sex effeders who are released from incarceration begins to illustrate how knowledge in the community grows beginnng the healing process of illocutionary discourse and shared community awareness and accountability. I'm glad so many of you found that Canadian brochure helpful. jeanne
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Message No. 13189. Shunequa gives a good explanation in her own words for how No Child Left Behind harms us all.
I think the California High school exit exam does discriminate against the poor and non-English speakers. I just did a study on how No Child Left Behind and the Exit Exam target minorities and all that hinders them in achieving in society. The proper funding that could be used in order to benefit children from passing these types of exams are not being allocated due to the lack of income in the area in which these "in need of improvement" schools are located. It's so unfair that children are suffereing because they live in low economic communities and can not move out of these areas or go to schools outside of these areas due to their parents' lack of monetary funds.
These children are dropping out of high school because throughout grammar school and junior high, they were not receiving the best education that money can buy while other children were. EL students have a hard time completing the exit exam because their language structure and use is not up to par and is not capable of fulfilling the requirements for passing the test.
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Sister, I know you love those flowers and are sharing them with the other Sisters. I'd like some to post for our exhibit this summer. jeanne
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Some nice dialogs, as in Message No. 13468. Your presence and awareness helped lots of times when I was very tired. Thanks.
Star has begun a whole project. Just let it happen and they will come! Honest! jeanne Message No. 13491. And then she gave a summary of what she learned in No Child Left Behind in Message No. 13492.
See Let It Happen, as Montessori Might Have Said and Thinking About What I Learned Pulls The Material Together for Me. These may give you ideas for your own messages if you're a field mouse I haven't been able to catch. Field Mice are loved, but they must turn in their work to get credit. jeanne
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Good dialog on Message No. 13460, with Klouise. Check out my belated response at Message No.13462. Important issue. Wish we had more time to go into it. Another really complex issue in the dialog of Message No. 13467. Glad to see you all bringing up lots of important factors. Same thing with Message No. 13468 on recovery from rape. Wish we had more time. jeanne
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Thanks to your sharing of your special project at a local agency, we know of your experience with encouraging parenting by exmaple. Your experience was one that prompted me to structure the presentation of visual elements at several age and sophistication levels. Some of that is now already up on the site.
Also pleased to see you moving a little away from control to encouraging the Other to answer. Do try getting your parent group to participate at some phase. We'll work on materials and post them for others who need them.
Great job. jeanne
jeanne's cards. Message No. 12961 on transform_dom.
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Thanks for all your help both semesters in the art projects. We'll need you again this summer for the exhibit, Velda. Val, too.
Message No. 13266 on commericals that some of our parents and some of us don't believe belong on TV where children are exposed to them. How does all this affect the infrastructure of our schools. Maybe we can talk about it this summer.
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Message No. 12580. A sprited disagreement on immigration as Veronica and Yemi move towards a space in which they can hear one another. Veronica insists on her right to answerability. (Bakhtin). jeanne
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Thank you for sharing with me your work with the seniors. It would be a good idea to report it on transform_dom, so I have a record of it. jeanne
I saw the two froggies, one on brushing teeth. That gives us washing hands, not talking to strangers (Star's), and brushing teeth. We're gonna have a whole curriculum. I'm so glad I just said write a social message, and didn't tell you guys what to write. Good job. jeanne
Message No. 13419. Dialog on exit exams. I think it's great that you seem to be comfortable in these dialogs and are sharing information. I don't know how to go on site to get the 3 questions. Does anyone else? Could you show me,Yemi?
Message No. 13416. Good dialog on sexual predators, child abuse, and counseling. Next step, had we the time, would be to deepen the theoretical offerings on site, and then sharpen the various arguments and positions.
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