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    On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, Kia Lor wrote:
    On RYOC Site Visit

    I didn't like the site visit that much because the guy that supposed to tour us didn't show us the inmate's cell or let us talk to the inmates when we were in the room with the four inmates. He said that "you could say hi to the inmates but don't start a conversation with them." I think that the site visit was interesting, I learned something new, such as the orange uniforms and the green uniforms. I thought that was interesting, however, I didn't like the tour guy. I think he talked too much and didn't let us asked the four inmates any questions. I think we only be in there for maybe less than 10 minutes.

    kia -- yes, i am aware of the differences between the two group site visits. there is always so much variation between site visit "guides" (i.e., how comfortable the individual is in showing us around; security issues; how often the individual has lead site visits). an institution does not have to let "outsiders" into their facility, so i am just glad that they do.

    On Tuesday, April 22nd, Tony Ciardo wrote:
    On the RYOC site visit

    first of all security was strict of what you wore. it took pretty long to get through the security first. It was nice for the offenders to talk to us about what they did to get in their and the different programs they have for offenders to do in the facility. at first before going there i thought it was like kcdc, women and men but it's just men in the facility. it was enjoyable and it was great seeing the rooms and different programs they have to offer for the inmates.

    tony -- yes, security varies from institution to institution (i.e., who's in charge, their reaction to us). be sure to do a debriefing.

    On Tuesday, April 22nd, Chrissy Knox wrote:
    On the RYOC site visit

    I REALLY ENJOYED THE SITE VISIT TO RYOC. I REALLY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE A JUVENILE FACILITY, BUT IT WAS NOT. IT WAS REALLY WEIRD TO SEE PEOPLE MY OWN AGE LOCKED BEHIND BARS. IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT MIND SET THAN MY OWN. THE MOST INTERESTING PART TO ME WAS BEING ABLE TO TALK TO THOSE FOUR INMATES IN THE PROGRAMS ROOM. I FELT REALLY SORRY FOR THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DID NOT. I THOUGHT THAT IT TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE FOR THEM TO TELL US ALL WHAT THEY DID AND HOW LONG THEY ARE IN FOR. THE MOST INTERESTING THING SAID WAS THE ONE WHO SAID THAT HE DID NOT THINK THAT HE WOULD STOP COMMITING CRIMES, JUST BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN LOCKED UP. THAT HE HAD A CRIMINAL MIND SET.

    chrissy -- i'm glad you enjoyed today's site visit. be sure to do a debriefing soon.

    On Tuesday, April 22nd, Jessie DuBois wrote:
    On the RYOC site visit

    I think that the best part of the visit was the little talking with the inmates doing arts and crafts. Two of the inmates stood out. The first one was the inmate who got five years for drinking and driving. That hits home to me because so many college students are not far from having something like that happening. He said it was his first offense and that seemed like a harsh punishment for a crime like that. The second inmate who surprised me was the one who explained his criminal mind set. He seemed like he was convinced that he had a criminal mind set and that he might be back in the correctional system again because he couldn't guarentee that he wouldn't go right back to the things that got him where he was today. You would think that he would be detered, or be willing to do anything to change that mind set but he didn't seem like that would be happening.

    jessie -- yes, i agree that the gentlemen who shared their experiences with us were really interesting.

    On Tuesday, April 22nd, LaShay Holley wrote:
    On the RYOC site visit

    Today i went to ROYC with you and the tour that we had was so boring we didnt see any thing the man didnt even take us to see the cells, It seem as if your tour group had fun, but the group that we were in was boring. Whe n is debriefing due

    lashay -- despite your disappointment, what would you consider the most interesting aspect of your site visit today? be sure to turn in your debriefing by 12 noon, april 25th in order to allow dialogue time.



    From CRMJ/SOCA 363: Corrections

    On Monday, April 21, 2003, Seth Adams wrote:
    On delinquents and parents

    On the issue of holding parents responsible for their children's behavior I do not agree with, but if that were to happen I think that they would have to let parents disciple their children how they see fit. Parents today can not do anything to their child in public without being seen as a abuser. Some kids today know about this public opinion and take advantage of it while in the public and act up knowing that their parents can do nothing.

    seth -- goes back to alfie kohn's Beyond Discipline. interested in reading it?

    On Monday, April 21, 2003, Tracy Blauser wrote:
    On juvenile corrections

    while you were speaking in class today, a theory policy practice connection occured to me. The thoery is that juveniles are young, more rehabilitatable, the policy is to provide rehabilitation programs for them in correctional facilities, the practice is that There are so many various needs for them (dysfunctional families, learning disabilities, etc..) the programs that are offered aren't comprehensive enough and there is the time constraint and no follow up, to effciently rehabilitate.

    tracy -- good point! no simple solution for such a complex situation.

    On Monday, April 21st, Brian Schildbach wrote:
    On juvenile corrections

    The future of juvenile corrections to me is before it even gets to Corrections. I believe it is Diversion programs like the Gang and Crime Diversion Taskforce program that Racine has. The program teaches corrections to criminal thinking errors or corrective thinking errors. The fact is that 80% of the youths that get put on some type of supervision are one stop shoppers. Most to the youths are either nabbed with status offenses or disorderly conduct charges which are just basic offenses.

    brian -- good observation but why is that not much attention is given to prevention?

    On Monday, April 21st, Elesha Bennett wrote:
    On juvenile corrections

    after watching holes and listening to the discussions in class yesterday i thought of something. everyone says that juvenile facilities are geared toward rehabilitation but i don't know if that is true. the rates of people in prison now that were in juvenile facilities is high. i think it is alot like in the movie where "mom" kept telling "zero" he was useless and stupid. i think that this probably happens alot and it leads kids to believe they are stupid and then they follow with the self-fullfilling prophecy

    elesha -- why do adults do that to kids?

    On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, Jessica Goodson wrote:
    On juvenile corrections

    After reading about other students opinons on the lecture commentaries page about juvenile corrections, I wanted to say that I agree a lot with what was said. The fact that juvenile corrections has grown I think is the fact that parents don't know how to be parents anymore. The theory behind this is that parents are responsible, but yet if they aren't disciplining and the school isn't, then what policies or rules are there for the child to follow. The practice of locking up juveniles is not the best answer to society's problem. If it was the answer then there wouldn't be such a high rate of recidivism. I think the best solution starts with the parents and disciplining their child and not to the point of abuse where there are marks left on the child. The best form of practice I saw was at the Ellsworth correctional where some inmates talked to at-risk youth and let them see what prison life is really like. I agree that better rehabilitation programs need to be offered for juveniles because the reason they get locked up comes from lack of self-esteem and if they are shown they are worth something, then I think the number of juvenile offenders will decrease. A good example of this was shown in the Holes book when Stanely showed Zero he was worth something!

    jessica -- you should read alfie kohn's beyond discipline. i had mentioned this book earlier on in the semester when we talked about discipline and punishment.



    On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, Krista Lindemann wrote:
    On juveniles in maximum security prisons

    In response to the movie we watched this AM in class, my observations were that the prisoners were running the prison. It seemed as if the correctional officers were constantly turning thier back and pretending that they saw nothing. It seemed as if they had a lot of free time and leway, especially when it came to purchasing food from the canteen and using the elevators along with lunch time. It was almost as if there were no C.O.'s watching them. Perhaps I made this observation because of the editing of the documentary. We can't be sure what was filmed and they didn't show. We may only be seeing half of the picture instead of the "whole picture".

    krista -- yes, it certainly appeared that the inmates were controlling the prison, but you are correct about what we were shown vs. what we were not shown. makes you wonder, doesn't it?

    On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, Scott Nichols wrote:
    On juveniles in maximum security prisons

    I was kinda distrubed on the video we saw today. I was distrubed with how the guard just let the inmate recieve extra food and not do anything about it. But then I think about it and relieze he might be looking out for his own saftey, but then how does that influence the inmates. To me it shows that he is afraid of the inmates and then the inmates have an upper hand. I would like to know where you are on this.

    scott -- yes, it does make you wonder who's really in control of this prison. and as krista had mentioned earlier -- you wonder what was shown to us and what was not.

    On Thursday, April 24, 2003, Kimberly With wrote:
    On juveniles in maximum security prisons

    While we were watching that movie, it made me really sick to know that rape, and abuse, and even drug posession goes on inside prison. I thought they were suppose to be safe and secure places, where guards do their best to protect inmates, instead of turning their back on them. Something just doesn't seem right.

    kimberly -- what does this tell you about the interrelationship between "theory, policy, practice?" why.



    On Thursday, April 24, 2003, Katy Hansen wrote:
    On private prisons

    I was quite taken back with the statement, "...the prospect of selling human beings like so many pieces of meat. By privatizing prisons, government essentially auctions off inmates-many of them young black men-to the hightest bidder." If we are so adament on rehabilitating prisoners, then why do we treat them as if they were cattle?

    katy -- you raise a critical question here. want to "attempt" to answer it?



    From CRMJ/SOCA 365: Race, Crime and Law

    Jessie DuBois wrote on Monday, April 21st:
    On the "Chicano" documentary

    I was really surprised by the video today because I really have never heard of any of these Chicano movements. I also think that the fact that the combined effort of the hispanic and african american never happend is a form of racisim also. The African Americans obviously didn't think much of their struggling Hispanic Americans to not have included them after Martin Luther King died.

    jessie --why do you think that you never heard about the Chicano movement til now? part of the problem after the assassination of martin luther king, jr. was the lack of leadership to bring the different groups together.

    Heather Schultz wrote on Tuesday, April 22nd:
    On the "Chicano" documentary

    I was shocked to see the video on Chicano. I never knew that they went through pretty much the same things as the Native American's did. I understand that they did go through a very rough time but I was very surprised to see that they had to endure so much coming to America and fighting for their "rights" as citizens.

    heather -- why is it that we don't hear much about the chicano movement?

    Tony Ciardo wrote on Tuesday, April 22nd:
    On the "Chicano" documentary

    the video we watched on t.v. made me think of how society really discriminated against the poverty. it is ashamed that our country could do something that horrible just because they were poor. they couldn't give then jobs, there probably was lots of job opportunities for people of the lower level income.

    tony -- it does make one wonder about the widening gap between the haves and the have nots, doesn't it?

    Kimberly With wrote on Wednesday, April 23rd:
    On the "Chicano" documentary

    The movie you showed in class on friday, and monday was such a surprise to me. I never knew anything like that had happened. It's kind of odd how i never learned about this stuff in school. Who gets to decide what we learn about history and when.

    kimberly -- that's a good question. want to find out who decides on which books to use in our schools?



    On Wednesday, April 23rd, Krista Lindemann wrote:
    On the square puzzle

    I really enjoyed the activity we participated in this morning. It proved a very good point that we all have different perspectives and sometimes it's hard to think outside of the box. We need to have respect, patience, and consideration when discussing the issue of race with others. We all come from different walks of life, and we need to respect that we all share something, and that is differing perspectives.

    krista -- why was such a simple puzzle so difficult? why is it hard to make a paradigm shift?

    Heather Schultz wrote on Thursday, April 24th:
    On the square puzzle

    About the puzzle exercise we did in class yesterday, I gave the puzzle to my mom with the pieces scattered. She was able to slap it together in no time. I gave the puzzle constructed how it was on our paper and asked my father and brother to do it and they couldn't. It made the "creatures of habit" theory jump out and clear up in my mind even more after watching the three of them work.

    heather -- very interesting results!

    Zach Alpert wrote on Thursday, April 24th:
    On the square puzzle

    I just had a question about class on wednesday. Though it was incredibly difficult and fun for me to figure out the box, what was the purpose. or actually how did it relate to Race Crime Law.

    zach -- fellman and how difficult it is to make a "paradigm shift." how we are trapped in our habitual ways of thinking. what do you think?



    From CRMJ/SOCA 352: Law and Social Change

    On Monday, april 21st, Sam Sosnay wrote:
    On postmodern feminist crim

    In doing a little research about Feminist Criminology, I found that Postmodern feminism substitutes language production (as talked about in Arrigo) for economic production and studies how male-dominated thinking is used to set women apart from men. I also learned about the many types of feminism there are.

    sam --- good idea to research this theory further!

    On Monday, April 21st, Kim Faulkner wrote:
    On postmodern feminist crim

    I think that is weeks theory makes a lot of sense! But I am not sure how far story telling will take you! Telling your story does get your voice heard, but that doesn't always get the laws changed! Those who are in power are still the ones to get to do that!

    kim --- want to research how "stories" can be powerful?

    On Monday, April 21st, Anel Garza wrote:
    On women in prison

    I was researching statistics on women in prison and I came across some overall statistics released on April 6, 2003: American prisons and jails have exceeded 2 million. As of June of 2002, there were 1.35 million prisoners in State and Federal prisons plus 665,475 in local jails. 4.8% of black males were in prisons or jails 1.7% of hispanics .06% of whites Black women outnumber their white ( 5x as many) and Hispanic ( more than 2x) counterparts Experts say," Policy, Not Crime Rates, Driving Incarceration Rates up." Drug offenses account for nearly 60% if federal prison pop and more than 20% of state pop, although violent crimes has fallen to its lowest level since 1974. I do believe that the policy has a lot to do with so many people behind bars. I just cant believe the statistics on how many inmates are in priso for drug offenses.

    anel -- good. now which theory from the arrigo book best explains all this? why.



    On Thursday, Arpil 24th, Amanda Boyd wrote:
    On the Confederate flag

    I was just thinking about what you said about the confederate flag in class. I can definately understand where people could look at that flag and think about it being racist. You have to consider why the south wanted to break away from the union back in the civil war; it was because of slavery, so it's understandable that people think of slavery when they look at the confederate flag. It kind of fits in with post modernist theory about how everyone interprets things differently. I might think of the confederate flag as being a symbol of racism, while a southerner might look at it and see a symbol of pride.

    amanda -- good point on applying postmodernism to this issue!

    On Friday, April 25th, Heather Schultz wrote:
    On the Confederate flag

    It has been misused by many new Klan members as a simbol of hate instead of wheat the original symbol of the "X" represented. The "X" symobolizes the Cross of St. Andrew's cross dating back to early Christian history. The flag was used for southern heros who sought and died for their constitutional freedom and the provisions of a small limited government. It was never intended to breed hate or symoblize the hatred it does now.

    heather -- good! i'll be sure to add this to the commentaries page.