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Week of November 17, 2002

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  • Student Name: CRMJ/SOCA 233 - Criminology, CRMJ/SOCA 363 Corrections, CRMJ/SOCA 365 Race, Crime, Law

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    On Sunday, November 17, 2002, Jessica Mallett wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    Thank you for the opportunity to go to Chicago with you guys. It was very interesting and i had a great time. Thank you

    jessica -- you're very welcome. glad you had a fun time. i hope you plan to do a debriefing on this.

    On Sunday, November 17, 2002, Julia Starr wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    hi susan. this is the first chance i have gotten to talk to you about thursday. i really enjoyed the trip! jeanne was awesome (and pat!) and i learned a lot from them in the short time that we were together. what about that woman from texas huh?? she was a riot... anyway, im glad we got the opportunity to go-thank you! i probably should change my grid form, but i really dont know how much-what do you think?

    julia -- glad you had a nice time in Chicago and it would be a good idea to move some percentage to synthesis. be sure to do a debriefing too.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Nick Contreras wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    thanks a lot for takin' me and the others to chicago. i had a GREAT time and learned a lot from the experience. i learned how to present a professional paper, i learned about electronic monitoring, and most of all, i learned about the berlin wall!! was that a joke or what??! anyways, thanks a lot. and say hi to jeanne/arnold and pat for me!

    nick -- you're very welcome!

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Tim Mostowik wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    i thought the chicago trip was interesting especially jeanee and pat. it wasnt quite what i expected but it was still a good experience. one thing that stuck out in my mind and that related to me the most was studying 15mins at a time. thats all the time i seem to have and then i have to go do something, and im so used to that i can only study in short periods of time even if i do have to time.

    tim -- glad you had a nice time. and yes, it took jeanne, pat and i some time to realize the "fifteen minute" study sessions. would like more of your feedback and insights into this.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Angie Siemers wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    i just wanted to let you know that i had a good time on saturday. Jeanie is something else. She knows so much...there was never a dull moment. Whenever she would talk about one thing, she would always lead into another subject. She is very interesting. I thought it was very creative the way she used our experience with the room mixup to help us understand colonization and imperialsm.

    angie -- i'm glad you found both sessions interesting even with the room mix up.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Akela Brown wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    Jeanne is such a hoot! I was glad to meet her, and Pat. I think we should find funding to go to Cali. During the sessions I took in alot but was unsure how to relate to it. The term colonization was interesting and I will definetely not forget it seeing as though it happened to us, then we did it to someone else. (if that count cause he was dealing with personal problems) This is short cause everything is still junked up in my head.

    akela -- yes, i agree -- look for funds to fly out to csudh! i can listen to jeanne any time, any day. there's so much to learn from her, and i really don't get to see jeanne that often. i'm not so sure that we "colonized" the disgruntled individual on the train. I think he was upset because we were having too much fun.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Kim Dexter wrote:
    On the ASC meetings in Chicago

    I just wanted to let you know that I had a good time at the ASC conference one Saturday. Jeanie and Pat were both very eccentric and very inspiring. With regards to the room mix up, I am a little ashamed that I may have handled the situation the same way the women "nailed to their chairs" handled it. At first, I didn't really understand why she was so angry at those people, but after she explained how their actions were the equivalent of colonization, it all made sense. I hope Jeannie wasn't too disappointed that we weren't asking a lot of questions. Honestly, I did not know what to say...that doesn't happen very often. One thing I did want to respond to was Learning/Teaching Module. You and Jeanie seem to teach with the philosophy that everyone has a right to a higher education as opposed to the philosophy that higher education is a privilege awarded to those who have hours on end to study. Thank you.

    kim -- check out the two files on the site that i had emailed the group earlier today. that might explain what was going on. and yes, you are correct that jeanne and i see education as inclusive; not exclusive. you might want to read Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed, if you're interested in this topic.

    Tim Mostowik wrote on Monday, November 18, 2002:
    On reactions to the ASC meetings

    today we talked about the chicago trip and the differeces between the two days. it was funny to hear that the thursday group had just as an intersting time as we did.

    tim - jeanne and i never had so much trouble during one conference!

    Jessica Mallett wrote on Tuesday, November 19, 2002:
    On reactions to jeanne's analysis of the Chicago meetings

    Hi Susan i went on Habermas and read what Jeanne had to say. It was very interesting to read. Yes our group was quit but we were tired and we were listening to Jeanne and Pat. They were very intersting. I would like to go visit them and see how they interact in their own enviroment. I learned some intersting things. Oh Yeah about the guy on the train that called us Polish white Bitches i think he colonized himself. He couldn't handle that people can laugh and talk and still have fun now a days. We were a very energetic group on the way home. Once again thank you for the great experience. Thank you

    jessica -- yes, i agree. i don't think we colonized the disgruntled passenger. we weren't even aware that he was there. be sure to do a debriefing on all this.

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    From CRMJ/SOCA 233: Criminology

    On Sunday, November 17, 2002, Bettie Poole wrote:
    On "Thug Life in D.C." and Labeling Theory

    Special Note: Need to go back to the previous week's lecture commentaries for Heidi's comments

    Reply to Heidi Schneider commentary on "Thug Life in D.C" on Labeling Theory. I do agree with you because it effects school age children in many ways. It effect them socially, cognitive as well as physically.Once a child feels left out or do not know acceptable ways of getting along with others. Sometime youth will behave negative just to get attention. A teacher asked a group of 5th graders: What do you think "retarded" means? Some students said "crazy" and others said "slow" then, the teacher asked the students, what do you call it when you walk into the classroom late, and the students answered "tarded" teacher stated, "you shouldn't call others children "retarded" when you are slow too." I though this was a positive way of letting children know they have some of the same characteristics as those children who were labeled. Therefore, the juvenile in the video became angry at an early age and it took a turn for the worst once he became a teenager. Andrew situation was difficult and it was to bad his mother didn't take the initiative and deal with the school rather than him being labeled as a criminal for life.

    bettie -- a good discussion (even though it's way over 25 words). we'll be discussing this in class on monday.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Tony Ciardo wrote:
    On "Thug Life in D.C." and Labeling Theory

    the video presented on friday was great fro the labeling theory. It shows that when you commit a crime, that you will be always seen as a criminal from the stand point of society. When you go to prison is even labeled as a criminal for life because people that commit greater crimes won't have the strength to be labeled anything else because they are in a gang or they just commit crimes all the time. Like the thug in the video said that he will always be labeled as a thug because of his blood and gang related activities. Once a criminal in prison, always a criminal. Do you think that this is true Susan?

    tony -- in theory, "once a criminal, always a criminal" should not happen, especially if the individual has paid his/her dues (doing his/her time), but the reality is the social stigma attached to being an "ex-con" unfortunately.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002 Krista Lindemann wrote:
    On "Thug Life in D.C." and Labeling Theory

    In response to Thug Life in D.C., I found it very interesting. It is one thing to read about labeling theory, but to then actually see a real life situation where it is happening seemed pretty real.

    krista -- this was real.

    Kristin Kania wrote on Monday, November 18, 2002:
    On "which theory?"

    just out of curiousity which theory on criminals do you agree with the most? which one do you favor?

    kristin -- good question but we haven't gone over all the theories yet. ask me again at the end of the semester, okay?

    Krista Lindemann wrote on Wednesday, November 20, 2002:
    On spending $19 million a week

    From our discussion in class today, I think it would be extrememly hard to spend that much money. Being a college student with very little money, I have learned to conserve and only spend money when absolutley needed. About the only money I spend is on gas. And that averages out to $20.00/week. I don't spend money on fast food, clothing, or cell phone. I would end up donating money to foundations and charities and my church!

    Heidi Schneider wrote on Wednesday, November 20, 2002:
    On spending $19 million a week

    I regaurds to the idea of spending that much money a day I was thinking baout what i would do with it and really the only things that came to mind was.. buy a house, get new clothes, and a new car... all which are less then one day of spending... i think that by growing up in the middle class i was taught to dream of things that are within reach and thats why I can't come up with any options that would possibly spend 14 million dollars.

    krista and heidi -- yes, it is difficult to imagine spending that much money each week, isn't it?

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    From CRMJ/SOCA 363: Corrections

    Jackie Marolt wrote on Thursday, November 21, 2002:
    On prisoners with AIDS

    I found out that in Alabama there is a prison inside a prison for inmates who have aids. There are more than 200 inmates in there, all in different stages. (

    jackie -- interesting. do you think this a good idea? why.

    Mohammad Farhan wrote on Thursday, November 21, 2002:
    On prisoners with AIDS

    I found an article that said jails and prisons are the transfer point for HIV. In Florida, inmates only get tested for HIV when they fall ill or ask for a test. They do not pass out condoms to the inmates and I think that is very dangerous because that is how more and more inmates get HIV and also they endanger society when they are released.

    mohammad -- what do you think of these policies? why.

    Jenny Kruesel wrote on Friday, November 22, 2002:
    On the mentally ill prisoner

    I think that prisons need to get the adequate people working there and help out the inmates. For instance a mentally ill prisoner, they need all the help they can get. They need people there that can work with them and have adequate people to check on them regularly and watch them if they are on medicine. I don't think they are taking this as serious as they should.

    jenny -- good point. but why isn't there more adequate care and attention on the mentally ill prisoner? is this something you'd like to research further?

    April Puryear wrote on Friday, November 22, 2002:
    On juveniles in corrections

    Once you are labeled a "problem child" it follows them throughout their years in school and even throughout adulthood. Many African American and Hispanic children are misunderstood. Many should not be placed in the ED or LD classes. They just need more one on one attention because they have different ways of learning. The teachers can definitely make or break a child's confidence.

    april -- i agree. being "misunderstood" is most unfortunate.

    From CRMJ/SOCA 365: Race, Crime and Law

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Caroline Zires wrote:
    On race and corrections

    Today as we were talking about minorities and crime I got to thinking-what is going to happen to minorities in the future. i don't see things getting any better. there may be some improvement but it's going to take for ever. I just think as long as we arent represented things will stay the same. how can we be governed by people who don't even attempt to understand us, where we come from, our troubles?

    caroline -- you raise an important and critical question here. how can we begin to change things for the better for all?

    On Thursday, November 21, 2002, Erica Gavins wrote:
    On race and corrections

    From Wednesday's class discussion questions I wanted to point out that I think that over representation of people of color in the criminal justice system is also due to the fact that the majority of judges are white and they are unable to relate with minority offenders. There is a quote in walker that talkes about how white judges are less likely to believe that people of color particularly males, can be rehabilitated compared to white males. This however can lead to longer sentences for them, causes the numbers to accumulate.

    erica -- good point. in fact, not too long ago, a citizen's group in Racine County was calling for more judges of color.

    On Monday, November 18, 2002, Veronica Ramirez wrote:
    On the War on Drugs

    we were speaking on the "war on drugs" in class today and I just thought that you might like to know that about a month or so ago two mexican generals (who were supposed to stop the drug cartels on the boarder) were caught and convicted to life sentences, b/c they were running them.

    veronica -- i vaguely remember reading about this. thanks for reminding me.

    On Friday, November 22, 2002, Carrie Harmann wrote:
    On reactions to the documentary, "Chicanos!"

    I found the movie we watched today interesting. I never really thought about how oppresed Mexican Americans were, it really opened my eyes.

    carrie -- we'll watch the last half in class on monday but this is one of a four part series shown on pbs.

    On Friday, November 22, 2002, Veronica Ramirez wrote:
    On reactions to the documentary, "Chicanos!"

    I just wanted to thank you for showing that video in class today. Especially when one of the girls sitting near me said that she had no idea that mexican-americans ever had a movement. In relation to the video I wanted to point out how different the boarders of Mexico are guarded in comparison to Canada's

    veronica -- you're welcome. and that's an excellent point about borders and how they are patrolled. when we think of "race and crime" we all too often think of african americans and forget about the other groups. i like to make sure that all groups are represented.

    On Friday, November 22, 2002, Michael Witkofski wrote:
    On reactions to the documentary, "Chicanos!"

    The one part of the video that got me thinking was the mentioning of Martin Luther King Jr. I wonder what type of an impact would have been made in the rights of minorities if King was not killed just before the Congressional meetings.

    michael -- that's an excellent question.

    On Friday, November 22, 2002, Akela Brown wrote:
    On reactions to the documentary, "Chicanos!"

    While watching the film today, I began a conversation with another student about the crulety the white race has inflicted on all the other races. During my time at Parkside I've seen so many documentaries that proved that point. Whites exploiting proud people, stealing their land and disreguarding their customs/culture . It's sad to review history and see the hardships they endured to fight for something that was rightfull their own. From my institutions of learning in the past, we focused on the Indians and Africans, but now I see that the white man threw himself and his beliefs on all races. Kennedy would describe this being the stigimation of the white man's power that intimidates African Americans to this day. ( Beat you to the punch ha, ha)

    akela -- now, what am i suppose to ask you? (maybe -- what would fellman say?)